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and I'm presenting a case of out-of-body

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experiences

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happening spontaneously under waking and

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in the waking state under you know full

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consciousness it's happening to me since

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1995 and also to my husband Michael who

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has been an experiencer for the past 44

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years so last week when I was browsing

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on the internet I read an advertisement

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huge advertisement saying out-of-body

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experiences in three days guaranteed

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right no I like okay it's kind of trendy

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nowadays to pay huge bucks for someone

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who would teach you how to get out of

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body right but guess what

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I know a person who would pay a lot of

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money to someone who could teach him how

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to get back into his physical body and

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stay grounded that person is my husband

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Michael who has been having a bad

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experiences for the past 44 years since

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he was born he remembers I mean he has

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been through the so-called conscious

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birth right he remembers when his mother

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was delivering him he remembers his own

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death out of body of course Michael is a

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natural psychic and out-of-body

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experiences experiencer for the past 44

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years he has been having out-of-body

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experiences in a waking state under full

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consciousness when walking talking

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standing working what

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ever okay now dr. Atwater PMH Atwater

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who is a recognized scholar on the Obi's

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and endings and other paranormal

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experiences she would write a foreword

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to like it forward to my book on OBE

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where she would say about Michael and

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I'm quoting a man who discovered a new

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aspect to his own being the ability to

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leave his body and goes of where now she

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would also say one of our conversations

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something that I thought Michael death

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scares me a little

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she would say he is still human but

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beginning to operate better at a higher

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frequency than what's called normal

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almost as high as it has become in pure

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consciousness unclothed

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well my aim here today is to deliver my

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presentation in the most truthful honest

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and effective way effective way as

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possible and to this lovely audience

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here and to everyone who's willing to

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listen to my story without judging it

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before I start though I think I should

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make two points first this paper

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presented presents a case for studying

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and out-of-body experiences based on

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first-person experience as it was

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written from the perspective of

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experiences myself and Michael

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so my paper relies on observation that

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are subjective in their nature

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second a clear distinct

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should be made between an out-of-body

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experience in the waking state happening

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fully spontaneously naturally under full

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consciousness acting in the middle of

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the day out of the blue when you're

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walking talking working whatever and

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what I call Auto Body life experiences

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that will happen you know under lucidity

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or lose it states right under hypnosis

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on their influence of drugs different

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medications different but you also have

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helping a good job happiness pumping

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states you would have different

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deep sleep when theta waves are involved

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Cesar and Eloise so I'm presenting out

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about experiences happening okay one

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more time you know waking stay under

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full consciousness in the middle of the

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or sleeping now I will not use much

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rotation from different scientific works

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right people that would study

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out-of-body experiences because I want

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to present as much firsthand

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and first-hand information and facts

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possible although I might use one quote

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from Susan Blackmore well study the

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nature of all be used extensively in one

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of her stops okay she would say the

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following on the nature of all these

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well they are quote there are short

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duration and happen only once or twice

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in all lifetime

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that statement given the fact that might

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fall under those multiple Obi's each day

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or the last 44 years

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he must have experience over fifteen

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thousand eight hundred and forty Obi's

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up today so what's the story Michael

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whole prenatal state having been in his

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mother's uterus and actually he

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remembers the exact instant when his

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what let's call it soul or the light

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body or the quantum of energy was flown

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and to his mother's uterus to join the

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fetus that would later become his

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physical body and his own words quote I

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have had all these since I can remember

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I remember leaving my body as a toddler

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I remember how it felt there the exact

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sounds colors geometry shapes and

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surroundings well Michael telepathically

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the DC's toddlers new even babies that

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have not been warmed yet they are either

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in the prenatal stage or will only be

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born in a distant future he retrieves

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information from wall doors with trees

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plastic would not work well when Michael

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day hey I can just tell I have been

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observing him for the last 25 years and

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what he would do went leaving his body

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doesn't need them when out of body

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would kind of like move in a rock

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robotic light of moments trying to look

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for his balance right he would have some

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vestibular issues you can tell but try

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to figure out you know the space trying

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to figure out though out the difference

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between his and too personal and extra

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personal space so to speak now he would

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also have difficulty communicating when

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out of body he would have a heart we

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would have some difficulties clearly

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with respect to his both oral and

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written fluency and his mother tongue

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which English right hey could hardly

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hold a pen hate him right because his

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muscles are all relaxed right now he

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would also exhibit so sighs I don't want

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to call it symptoms but some signs of

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people that usually suffer from

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different symptoms such as a face be off

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a breakfast dyslexia at pretz-elle or

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right now this is how my fault describes

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don't have to see it with my physical

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eyes because I can see with the means of

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my consciousness extended in space

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and feel I'm only able to read through

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the shape of air and thoughts most of

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the time I'm out of body so my physical

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eyes are not a problem

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because I don't use them when I come

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back to earth however I walk into wall

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relies on extrasensory perception soul I

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get a ran it through talking in distance

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as my aura as extended and its face I

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have to physically see the object to

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know what it is it's just I just feel it

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with my extended consciousness so again

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eyes because you can see by touch smell

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and taste so to speak you can feel the

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shape of objects at distance at a some

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time you can taste whatever you are

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because every object has an elaboration

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or energetic signature attached to it

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and the formal both audible or inaudible

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soft sound when out-of-body I function

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and I'm not just on look her and I'm not

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just on looker but rather at

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participants as well so I'm not only an

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observant I'm not only an observant like

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if you're if you're watching the movie

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3d movie right now back in 2016

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Michael and I began to cooperate with

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free foundation foundation for research

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of x-ray extraterrestrial encounters the

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research study conducted by the free

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demonstrating that 80% of bills with

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image I encounters non-human

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intelligence experience also auto body

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now auto body experience has been

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identified as one of a poor experiences

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of energy encounters based on the great

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study dr. Rudy Schilt former Harvard

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Harvard astrophysicist what sent an

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inquiry to my last year and and his

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reply to the inquiry Michael would

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confirm the following and his auto body

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experiences Hayek's force the cold dim

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planet lock objects everywhere in the

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vast spaces between stars they have

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masses and solid course with atmospheric

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gases and weather effects much like our

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earth there's one Rock planet beyond the

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planet Pluto as the death planet people

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inquiry actually was published in Mary

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a new book called the new human Mara

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expert on ETO slash NIT context and she

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chapters called the interdimensional

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multi-dimensional journeys not Michael

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loss to visit different planets during

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its Ottawa travels this is what he said

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involved running water and I repeat

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running water on Mars back in 1998 and I

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have entered in into my diary hope I've

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been exploring Mars among other places

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there's running water there so there are

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certain types of lint creatures such as

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now Michael told me about it back in

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consciousness this is how I called it

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the following story actually describes

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one of such funny situations I called it

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special kind of bread the breath is

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native to Slovakia so you cannot get it

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in America now the bread that I bought

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for Michael was eaten by him out of body

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basically will happen

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physical form after me eighty so

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basically what happened is the future in

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that happens and the form of an

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living and perceiving reality he lives

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for the same events situations was first

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our body and then in the dense reality

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there are times where has not sure if

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what has experiencing at a moment is the

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actual present reality of whether X a

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future that has experience in our body

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Michael is also able to enter on enter

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the bodies of other human beings animals

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including Birds trades plans and so on

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and think of their feelings emotions of

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thoughts the following is a story I call

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I fool in a body of a sad bird and

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basically describes what it felt like

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often Michael was able to enter about a

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plant bird right so could it was evening

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and it was already dark transferred into

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the body of the bird was flying I was

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scared

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I could tell the bird was very sad

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something bothered him he had to fly

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somewhere from questioning it okay so I

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guess it's so I have to finish right

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by personal experiences in trances and

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altered states inform a great deal of my

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life and my spirituality when I'm doing

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science I am always very careful to try

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to throttle that back down to statements

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that can at least in principle be

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verified by other people who aren't me

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from that perspective I like to ask why

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the rest of us should believe that any

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of Michaels testimony is something other

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than the result of some some kind of

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seizure seizure disorder accompanied by

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delusional states suffer any medical

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conditions as a healthy individual he

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was hired by government back in 1998 to

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solve some criminal cases in Europe case

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of murder of politicians high-ranking

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politician which he solved to

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satisfaction so I mean it's that from

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research standpoint we're always looking

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for ways in which one can validate these

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kinds of things these kinds of

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experiences and so when you have

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something that's reproducible as what

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Michael does it seems like a very

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natural condition to do this kind of

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research so for example clairvoyant kind

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of research would be in principle fairly

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simple to have something at a remote

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site and have him leave his body

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I go to that remote site and describe

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what is there come back you know write

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it down or whatever and then that can

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validate it and that would be in

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principle a very clean way to do

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research so I'm wondering has he been

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tested in this way he has not been

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tested yet but he does not want to come

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out of the closet yet

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but his retiring this year and you know

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we would like him to get tested starting

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2018 right and there's much more well

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the reason why he does not want to get

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out of the closet is rather that he

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claims he has been in touch with college

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any guy or different entities early on

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when he was four years old right that

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would kind of fly through his life one

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havel for three years old he would be

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shown who the walk well he wouldn't be

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shown me right away

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Julia that that's a life you have to

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have so many kids and this is what

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you're going to do in your life right so

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he had certain like stages that has been

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following and the reason why all my

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period here in 2017 is that he is

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retiring in 2019 and is ready to get

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tested in to get out of the closet I

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mean I have written the book right on

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out about experiences which is in Slovak

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and wast translated in English but

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Michael stopped it he said it's not the

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time yeah

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let's publish it in English in 2018 it's

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all ready to be published but there's

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many things that are not revealing here

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I mean you know what I'm fine yes yes so

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I think thank you well thanks for the

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early in the talk you alluded to

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suggestion that perhaps this is

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representative of a stage of evolution

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that you know perhaps this is an

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advanced state of being that maybe some

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of us can look forward to at some point

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but with that I would like you to

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clarify so I think ken wilber is quoted

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with saying there's a difference between

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waking up and growing up right and so

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indication of but like a really advanced

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abilities in one dimension doesn't

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necessarily always come with it the

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ethics we would like to see onboard with

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it so my question is what what kind of

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define that in these states is Michael

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participating in some kind of like Maxie

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fraternal or a substantial types of

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tasks or as he just kind of pop it

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around looking at stuff I mean what you

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know encapsulating the body of a bird is

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impressive of course but you know you

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could imagine cases of working at an

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extra physical clinic and helping like

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pathological consciousness that are

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discarnating and things like this so

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he's not involved in any of this yeah

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but he would like to in the future I

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mean he can talk to as I said he can

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talk to animals he can talk to cases of

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pregnant woman and they just happened

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last week right and he was interacting

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with the fetus he can't talk to feces I

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mean his it's not his open in the future

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he is open to do all this kind of things

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he is doing it right now I am keeping my

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diary

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I have thousands of pages okay she's

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ready all right I started in 1995 1994

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but as I said he said it's not the time

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yeah you know for him to get out of the

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closet and I hopefully next year we can

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go ahead with some of the research and

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that's why

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presenting the paper here right now if

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that makes sense well it makes sense

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from a research standpoint and we're